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Journeyman Geek

00:16

erf. Just caught up with the scrollback

and I'm tempted to point out something, but... the conversation's done >_>

OH WELL.

@MetaAndrewT. aww

this I can probably safely opine on

that building a business, building a community and keeping a community running need different skillsets

and "I don't like the way this place is run" is rarely a great way to build a community

you need to work with love not hate, even if the hate seems justified

While SE was originally on the whole "anti experts exchange" thing, it was also " we like this model and can do better"

410

02:09

For no particular reason, I remembered this chart:

Plus the reaction in the Tumblverse is always 'repeatedly get hit by a dog and fall down the stairs'.

Updated version: trends.google.com/trends/…

More specifically, the end of the curve:

Ah, blogs. On Carpetsmoker's site, Tired of Stack Overflow was quickly followed by It’s fine to be elitist, sometimes

> I came to the Go meetup to talk to fellow experts, not to be recruited as an (unpaid) teacher.

Meta Andrew T.

04:01

Ugggghhhhhh, very late morning.

Status: groggy

Tinkeringbell

07:07

@MetaAndrewT. Happy Friday! :D

Magisch

morning

I'll take this opportunity to express my daily deep hatred for EDI integration

Tinkeringbell

Only if I can do the same, but for driving ;)

Meta Andrew T.

07:25

I'm feeling ~~lucky~~ better now! Friday for all of you too!

user152859

09:26

@M.A.R. KK

Optimus Prime

10:15

Released v2 of my autoflagger web app 2 days ago. Unlike v1, anyone can use v2 (only I was able to use v1 ;p) The url is autoflagger.os.sagarvd.me/home , built with Angular and hosted on firebase

Currently I log the SO user Id of the people sign in and the date time they sign in, in firebase database

Shall I make a log or used by people page to make the data public? Is there any restriction?

Currently the instructions are in home page itself. Shall I make it to a separated page faq

Hey @Cat is there a privacy restriction prevent me from making the user id and date time of the users public?

Catija

11:59

@OptimusPrime What users?

Journeyman Geek

12:33

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@OptimusPrime uhm....

Optimus Prime

@Catija I'm authenticating Stack Overflow users in my web application and I'm logging the user id of each users. Since I'm using the API, There must be some rules that I should follow.

Journeyman Geek

"We dumb data from db" - you mean dump

Optimus Prime

My question is, is there a problem in disclosing it publicly?

Journeyman Geek

@OptimusPrime might be a good question for MSE ._.

Optimus Prime

@JourneymanGeek forgot to edit that. At first, the text was We don't flag sh*t based on heuristics. (You dumb) data from db

Later edited the sh*t part but forgot to edit this one.

At first, I don't have any idea to make it available to public in near future. But then I spent few more hours and implemented it

The initial text was, just for me. and it doesn't contain any instruction or anything.

@JourneymanGeek shall I ask one there? or in Stack Apps?

Journeyman Geek

12:39

@OptimusPrime hm, I'm not familiar with stackapps

wherever you think people who need that info can find it more easily ;p

which is the whole point of this exercise.

Optimus Prime

actually stackapps is the place to ask questions related with api and report bugs.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I know what it is

but I'm not familiar enough to tell you if its a better place

Meta Andrew T.

13:01

Apparently, in (Stack Overflow) Russia, a question asks you?

Got this ad on ruSO, which goes to its Ask Question page...

Feeds

stackoverflow.blog/2019/09/27/…

JNat

13:58

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard gone

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone and gone

Optimus Prime

14:14

twitter.com/axi0mX/status/1177542201670168576?s=19

A security researcher released unpatched jailbreak for iOS

Kevin B

15:00

I hate the new scrolling feature in ios13

it keeps activating while i'm reading shit

Feeds

Today's consumers who order their drones off the internet don't know the joy of going out in nature and returning with a drone that you caught yourself, whose angry owners you fought off with your own two hands.

410

17:56

@MetaAndrewT. it could be worse

More examples at ru.meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/2539

And yes, this is an advertisement for Ask Question button.

Optimus Prime

why the former employee got a network wide suspension for 5 years

Any idea @sha ?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@OptimusPrime They tweeted about it from their private account a while ago, but then deleted it

Optimus Prime

Oh. I didn't saw that.

410

wE DON'T talk abOUT SUSPensions

Optimus Prime

We do. Sometimes.

without disclosing the identity

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

18:08

Basically, SE sent him an email to the effect of, "if you say anything bad about Stack Exchange, your account will be terminated". He then tweeted a screenshot of his email from that account, with the tagline "This [expletive] company." Problem is, there were several SE employees with access to that account.

410

Well in this case it's disclosed right away to anyone who knows anything.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I can't say for sure if that tweet resulted in the suspension, but what I do know is that it was deleted a short while later.

Optimus Prime

Can't say in that way coz there're lots of ex employees.

410

Anyway, I'm disappointed that convertcase.net doesn't offer "random casing" option.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

As far as his losing his employment with SE, he didn't resign or get fired for cause; he was just affected by the November 2017 mass layoff.

Given that he was previously suspended network-wide but local moderators lifted the suspensions per-site, I can also imagine SE telling moderators not to do that when this new suspension was applied.

Optimus Prime

18:36

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog you mean, that twitter account?

If that account is suspended for telling something bad about SE, I'm totally disappointed with it.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@MonicaCellio It appears your migration ended up glitching up: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333907/…

Monica Cellio

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog huh. Would've been nice if my migration had produced some sort of "tried that already" message.

Oh well; maybe someone will figure out what happened or maybe not. It's on hold on MSE, which is an acceptable state, so shrug.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

18:52

@MonicaCellio It redirects to a deleted question on MSO.

Moderators are exempt from migration redirecting; open it in a private window to verify.

@MonicaCellio I think the best remedy would be to ping an SO mod to ask them to reverse the deletion on MSO.

Monica Cellio

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I don't think it's important enough to justify an MSE mod asking an SO mod to override the asker's deletion.

410

@sonic if you follow SE folks on Twitter, could you maybe make a list of their accounts? The one I sometimes look at is twitter.com/jc4p/lists/stack but it's ancient

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@410 The user in question's tweets are private

410

Yeah, and not at SE anymore, so not about that user specifically.

Adam Lear

With the caveat that I haven't really looked at the question in, uh, question... why remigrate? if the asker doesn't want it on MSO and it doesn't fit MSE, just close/delete it on MSE and call it good?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

19:01

Also the Roomba will do so automatically later, so I think that's the best outcome

410

Close/delete is good. I would call it that.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@AdamLear It's a bug nonetheless. If a mod tries to migrate a question where it was already migrated to and rejected, they should be warned of this fact and/or it should create a new question on the destination site rather than re-associating it with the previous attempt.

Monica Cellio

@AdamLear I didn't notice it had already been migrated and rejected once when I migrated it. I saw a closed question that clearly belonged on MSO and decided to help the person out.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene Voted; needs 1 mor

Adam Lear

@MonicaCellio Totally fair, just thinking out loud about what we could do now. :)

Monica Cellio

19:08

@AdamLear can you confirm that it was the OP who deleted it there? Any other interactions with the OP there?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@MonicaCellio Yes; it says "this question was voluntarily removed by its author" there.

Monica Cellio

I wonder why I didn't see the "rejected migration" banner. I saw "closed by (user list)" so had no reason to suspect anything odd.

Adam Lear

@MonicaCellio Confirmed, and no, no other interaction

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@MonicaCellio That only shows up on the destination site.

Monica Cellio

@AdamLear do you think we should do anything? Nuke it now or just wait for the Roomba?

rene

19:11

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog will ping @sha ...

Monica Cellio

It's locked on MSE, so it's not going to get edited and it can't really be made on-topic there.

410

Locked posts are not Roomba'd either

Adam Lear

@410 migrated posts are

@MonicaCellio Eh, either's fine I guess. Dunno why the user deleted it, but I guess we can keep it for now in case they decide to repost it organically

Monica Cellio

Migration stubs are deleted after 30 days.

And are locked by definition.

@AdamLear fine with me. My reaction to the whole thing is "meh".

410

@Feeds drishing. Nothing is really a thing until there's an ugly portmanteau for it.

Adam Lear

19:13

@MonicaCellio yeah, same here really :)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@AdamLear What are ways to fix the overarching bug here (not just this specific case)?

Adam Lear

status-deferred

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@AdamLear Mind adding that tag to my question, please?

Adam Lear

I mostly just mean that it's not an issue we'd likely be fixing right now at all. but I'll throw [status-review] on it for now

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

That's great; I needed another question to keep myself as the user with the highest number of status-review questions :)

rene

19:19

we'll status-review your position ...

Machavity

19:42

SE is down. Apparently caching is to blame

Glorfindel

Is it me or are most SE sites down? Only Meta.SE works for me ...

Kevin B

meh

rene

VrijMiBo at SE-HQ

Kevin B

seems fine to me

Machavity

Oh, now I'm logged out

M.A.R.

19:58

Meta ELL works for me

Optimus Prime

Works for me but the rep and inbox indicator shows notification for items which I've seen already

M.A.R.

M&TV works for me

Tinkeringbell

@OptimusPrime Mine isn't showing my recent upvote :/

M.A.R.

in The Meta Room on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 hours ago, by M.A.R.

Even bugs are elitist now.

Optimus Prime

I got 30 rep change yesterday and saw 30 in green and 3 in red for inbox.

Kevin B

20:01

maybe you just thought you looked at it

Tinkeringbell

At least the reminders for happy hour still seem to be working ;)

Optimus Prime

For upvote thing, I upvoted both Sonic's and Glorfindel's answers to the delete content question. Let's see whether they got a notif or not @Sonic

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@OptimusPrime I got a green one

Optimus Prime

@KevinB No. If it's unread, it'll have a different background color.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Not a red one

Optimus Prime

20:04

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I just upvoted it. no comments. So green one is okay

And in my profile (votes section), I can see that Month : 3, Week : 2, Day : 2. So it gets updated realtime

Glorfindel

@OptimusPrime same here 30 minutes ago; I even posted a bug report but deleted it since it's behaving normal for me now.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Glorfindel Hey, you're pingable again :)

Glorfindel

I should post here more often.

Optimus Prime

Looks like the cache server felt lonely and needed some attention

410

21:05

Server's hierarchy of needs:
Basic: electricity, cooling,...
Security: well, obviously
Belongingness: working network connection
Self-actualization: Skynet

> Building communities where everyone who codes can learn and share their knowledge. twitter.com/stackoverflow

So... how do I follow/friend someone on Stack Overflow?

Having 10M fungible userNNN accounts does not look much like building a community.

Aaron Hall

@410 You don't! We eliminate that kind of Facebooky creepiness for an improved user experience!

am I the only one who loves this kind of literalness? youtube.com/watch?v=_pyJlERCrJE

rene

21:52

@AaronHall you're not alone ...

Aaron Hall

@rene yay... i belong

rene

XD

Journeyman Geek

23:19

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